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[Sav]

Hi all

Sea ice on the increase
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/ext ... Extent.png

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Want some more snow
Head for Alaska

Quote: All the experts say the effects of climate change will be felt most in Alaska, home of the ex-governor who contends climate change is no big deal.

Good thing she wasn't in Valdez this week when the citizenry got buried under a record snowfall. We're not talking about your ordinary little dump here. That was in Copenhagen, where world leaders were meeting to discuss what to do about global warming and the Bloomberg news service was warning that Barack Obama and the rest would "face freezing weather as a blizzard dumped 10 centimeters (4 inches) of snow on the Danish capital overnight.''

Four inches overnight? Valdez got more than four inches per hour at the height of the snowstorm that began there Monday and ran through the week. By the time the citizens of Alaska's only oil port finally caught a break, the snow was piled 5 feet, 8 inches deep.
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispatche ... -socked-in

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Let it snow
There must be many singing that song

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/27/8 ... last-week/

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Here are the Perpignan stats for November
The monthly temp totals are an average

November 2009

Maximum Temp: 17.3°C
Minimum Temp: 9.5°C
Rainfall: 10.2 mm
Sunshine: 98.1 hours

The maximum temp was recorded on the 3rd
21.2°C
The minimum was recorded on the 25th
5.1°C

http://www.meteociel.fr/climatologie/vi ... annee=2009

November 2008

Maximum Temp: 15°C
Minimum Temp: 8.1°C
Rainfall: 37.2 mm
Sunshine: 140.9 hours

The maximum temp was recorded on the 1st
23.8°C
The minimum was recorded on the 27th
-0.8°C

http://www.meteociel.fr/climatologie/vi ... annee=2008

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Our changing climate

Quote: Here we go again, warns meteorologist Joe Bastardi of accuweather.com: "Severe cold looming for much of Europe first two weeks of the New Year!

"The major population centers of the northern hemisphere are now facing cold of a variety not seen in over 25 years," Bastardi said. "The first 15 days of the opening of the New Year will be the coldest, population weighted, north of 30 north worldwide in over 25 years, in my opinion."
http://newsmax.com/brennan/global-warmi ... /id/344897

Cheers Sav

[thumbelina]

Quelle est la chute de neige la plus précoce enregistrée à Paris ?
22/12/2009



Du 26 au 31 octobre 1869, il a neigé tous les jours, avec, en fin d'épisode, une couche de neige de quelques centimètres.
En 1966, c'est le 3 novembre qu'un tapis blanc précoce recouvre la France, de la région parisienne au Poitou.
Pour la quantité de neige, Paris a connu pire ! En décembre 1879, le mois le plus froid jamais observé à égalité avec décembre 1788, les rues étaient encombrées d'une épaisseur de 30 à 40 cm. Cette neige était jetée sur la Seine gelée et s'accumulait pour former d'énormes blocs de glace. Ce qui aboutit à la fameuse et terrible débâcle début janvier, peinte par Monet .

Valeurs remarquables de janvier en Pyrénées-Orientales

TMax : 25.0°C (Perpignan le 29/01/1944)

TMin : -8.2°C (Perpignan le 23/01/1963)

Précip : 123.6 mm (Perpignan le 29/01/2006)

[Sav]

Hi all

The Met Office are asked some questions

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/t ... 443687.stm

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Its great for snow, but its a bit too much.

Quote: Cairngorm Mountain in northeast Scotland more often deals with a lack of snow but this year it is grappling with a different problem -- 185 centimetres (73 inches) of snow since Christmas in the worst bout of winter weather since the 1970s.

Resort staff toiled all day Thursday to clear snow, but they arrived back Friday to find their hard work was in vain after strong winds blew snow across access roads, creating 15 foot (4.6 metre) high drifts.
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/No_sk ... w_999.html

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

According to a programme I watched this morning (I think it was on Arte but can't find it now!) the earth (aided by human action in burning fossil fuels ) is approaching a new "anoxic event".
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Anoxic_event
The commentary (translated from English) was pretty scary and convincing in its presentation of facts!

Hi Roger & all

Taken from the article
Quote: The strata analysis suggest that in the era the Earth had a predominantly overheated climate [1] with steaming rain forests, heavy daily rains and violent storms.

A cycle that occured & may occur again in the future
Is this yet another programme, attempting to blame us for the current climate of our planet & what we may do to it in the future
Recent events have exposed flaws in the climate argument & note the silence during these cold times.
Another article, a little old but interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... -1998.html

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Is this yet another programme, attempting to blame us for the current climate of our planet & what we may do to it in the future.

In a way, but only in the sense that the CO2 and methane was locked up as oil, coal and gas by natural processes which re-established climatic equilibrium over an estimated period of ca. 250,000 years (!) - and we are reopening Pandora's box again by burning all those vast amounts (billions of tons) of stored-up carbon compounds - and that in under 250 years!!

The tone of the report was sad - and "resigned", rather than accusing or aggressive in that, given the current state of human nature, education and understanding (or lack of it) of the overall "big picture", the worlds population will continue to grow and consume, unheeding in the majority, until, as with lemmings, "nature" will take its natural course when the "tipping point" is finally reached. The final comment was that if this could "naturally" happen slowly, several times in geological history, giving rise each time to multiple extinctions, how much faster it will happen this time, aided by human "intervention". It was found ironic that the last "great extiction" gave rise to the ascendency of mammals, leading to the evolution of humans whose technology has evolved faster than their ability to control their own reproduction at a sustainable level.

Put that way it makes for some logical sense!!

Hi Roger

Some of these events will contribute to the C02 levels, but how much influence did Volcanoes have on these Anoxic episodes in the past.
They emit plenty of C02 a year & no doubt there were many more active ones back then.
Another one to watch in the future.

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Allways better with a clearer picture

Quote: Bolivia’s rapidly diminishing Chacaltaya glacier has been widely used as a symbol of Anthropogenic Global Warming (1). However, it is an unfortunate choice of symbol, because the retreat of this specific glacier is demonstrably not due to increasing temperatures caused by CO2 emissions.
http://www.inesad.edu.bo/mmblog/mm_20090323.htm

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Sav, I must say that some of your posts come over with the impression you're trying
desparately not to believe that humanity has any influence on the climate? Why??

Hi Roger

I'm not sure the word deparately fits the bill
Most of the media gives you a one track view of our climate & that is we are to blame for the state of the weather, natural disasters etc.
We are then given doomsday scenarios as to what is to come.
I don't go along with that, if you had read some of the articles regarding C02 & temps, then it should have raised some questions regarding the climate change argument.
If you go back in the past, you will find that it has warmed & cooled, without the aid of human intervention.
Mother nature will warm the planet & cool us, that's how it goes.
I'm not against us using less pollutants, but to blame the human race for something that has not happened yet & based on slowly eroding arguments is a bit much.
I'm just trying to give another slant to the debate here, which some people will never hear or read about.
What you see in the media does tend to go only one way.
Time will tell of course, but are there not two sides to a story.

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Just 3 of hundreds of facts:

Overfishing has reduced blue fin tuna numbers to 18% of what they were in the mid-1970s.

This has no connection to the climate debate, but something that needs looking at granted.

The burning of Indonesia's peat lands and forests for palm oil plantations generates
1.8bn tonnes of greenhouse gases a year, and demand is predicted to double
by 2020 compared to 2000.

Now how does that compare to what we humans use

Quote: On a global level, it is essential that the Kyoto Protocol, which is limited to emissions caused by industry, housing, traffic and agriculture, includes emissions from soil and degraded vegetation.
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/climate-c ... lands.html

So should the IPCC not be tackling this first, if we follow their theory.

More than seven million hectares are lost worldwide to deforestation every single year.

Lets leave this one as well

Quote: The accelerating destruction of the rainforests that form a precious cooling band around the Earth's equator, is now being recognised as one of the main causes of climate change. Carbon emissions from deforestation far outstrip damage caused by planes and automobiles and factories.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 48734.html

So if we are going to label C02 as the culprit that will bring about our downfall, then why are the powers that be, not tackling the questions you pose above.

.. and it's all accelerating as population continues too explode!

As for population.............................

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

A clearer picture is allways better
Grab yourself a mug of PG & peruse

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/image ... e_temp.pdf

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

So we can still get cold weather

Quote: Scotland has suffered some of the coldest winter months in almost 100 years, the Met Office has confirmed.

By combining the temperatures of January and December it showed they were the coldest since 1914 - the year data started being logged.

Elsewhere, it was the coldest December and January in Northern Ireland since 1962/63 and the coldest in England and Wales since 1981/82.

Sub-zero temperatures and snow blew into the UK from mid-December.

The average minimum overnight temperature for January is usually at freezing point, but in Scotland it was regularly below -5C.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8492333.stm

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Here are the Perpignan stats for December
The monthly temp totals are an average

December 2009

Maximum Temp: 12.5°C
Minimum Temp: 4.7°C
Rainfall: 14.4 mm
Sunshine: 127.8 hours

The maximum temp was recorded on the 24th
21.1°C
The minimum was recorded on the 21st
-4.6°C

http://www.meteociel.fr/climatologie/vi ... annee=2009

December 2008

Maximum Temp: 11.6°C
Minimum Temp: 5.1°C
Rainfall: 207.4 mm
Sunshine: 119.4 hours

The maximum temp was recorded on the 21st
16.2°C
The minimum was recorded on the 24th
-0.1°C

http://www.meteociel.fr/climatologie/vi ... annee=2008

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Il est vraiment acharné, ce mec!!

We live in a democracy & i'm not being paid

Cheers Sav

[Roger O]

But it's good to have the other side of the story.

We're only fed one bullshit line by all of the Governments so it's good to see what other information there is out there so we can make up our own minds!

We're lucky to have someone like Sav helping us to have a rounded picture!!!

OK, no problem with that, but we're getting one per day now and they're all the colder than cold ones!!
Some places are having heatwaves too round the world!
Hot and cold, wet and dry for January 2010
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=hazards#drought

[Sav]

Hi all

Its an open forum Roger, you can post what you like regarding the weather.
I agree that i've posted items that are on the cool side etc, but that's only to balance out the one tracked media's output.
Some of these stories people would never have read about, because it goes against the trend of climate change reporting.
Recent news does throw doubt over the whole debate.
If Kate has a problem with it, then i shall be on my way.
Until then report away & we shall discuss.

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Major storm in the USA

Quote: Up to 28in (71cm) of snow had reportedly fallen by 1100 (1600 GMT) in Washington, which would be the heaviest snowfall there in almost 90 years.

The weather has caused road accidents, cancelled flights, and left tens of thousands of homes without electricity.

A rare blizzard warning is in effect for the Washington-Baltimore area.

The storm - dubbed "snowpocalypse" and "snowmageddon" by the local media - is expected to stretch from Indiana to Pennsylvania and into parts of New York and North Carolina.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8501246.stm

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Think the UK public has been reading this thread??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi ... change.pdf

Hi Roger & all

Not sure that they have been reading this thread
We did see this on the news.
I think people have been swayed a little by recent stories, which throw some doubt other climate change predictions.
It can only be a good thing, if we hear both sides of the argument.

Cheers Sav

[john]

Think the UK public has been reading this thread??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi ... change.pdf
... especially John's comments?

I would echo Sav's point above Rog. I know your comment is tongue in cheek,but I certainly do not claim to be an opinion leader in this !

Sav is absolutely spot on when he says that media coverage tends to affect these poll results; you only have to see what goes on in Election Campaigns to witness that.

But ,overall,I just think that people are getting more and more cynical,sceptical,call it what you will,when they see theoretical information sold as "fact" by unelected individuals,who ,more often than not ,have a vested interest.

[Roger O]

Ah well, at least the seals seem to know what they are doing and why!!
They're not under any political or (bogus?) scientific influence!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8503397.stm
Galapagos sea lions head for warm Peru waters

The monitors say the water temperature in Piura, off the coast of northern Peru, has risen from 17C to 23C over the last 10 years.

The temperature is much closer to the sea temperature around the Galapagos Islands, which averages about 25C.

Now that the conditions of the sea around northern Peru are so similar to the Galapagos, they say, even more sea lions and other new marine species could start arriving.

[Sav]

Ah well, at least the seals seem to know what they are doing and why!!
They're not under any political or (bogus?) scientific influence!

Hi Roger & all

I also noticed

Quote: The earlier version had a reference to the temperature rise being caused by climate change. This has been removed as the relevant research is still in its early stages.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8503397.stm

It seems that the rush to attribute everything to climate change, is gradually slowing.
Will there come a day when its a natural cycle

Cheers Sav

[john]

I'm with you on this one Sav.

I can see nothing in the science associated with this report that would lead Roger to jump to the conclusion that this is either anything to do with "global warming" or is in any way caused by man.

Not much "logic" in your assertion there ,I'm afraid Rog.

[thumbelina]

Hi all

Nothing in the news about this story

Quote: ULAN BATOR - THOUSANDS of Mongolian nomad families face food shortages and severe poverty after a bitter winter killed off at least 1.7 million animals including sheep, camels and cattle, the United Nations said on Tuesday.

Temperatures plunged as low as minus 50 degrees Celsius (-58 degrees Fahrenheit) in recent weeks, after a long, dry summer that left farmers with too little fodder for their herds, the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said in a report.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 85509.html

All those animals & not worthy of a news item, unless i missed it.

Cheers Sav

You did, my friend, Sky did a great piece on this. So very very sad. They were saying that the Mongolians are one of the most self sufficient people on earth and they are now in desperate need of UN help just to survive!!

One woman was a herdsman of 800 animals and she's lost 700 of them!!!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... rchresults

For what it's worth I am (and have always been!) a climate change sceptic and would seem, therefore, to be with Sav and John on this one!

[Sav]

Hi all

Perhaps we have a level playing field

Quote: LAST weekend looks likely to have been a tipping point in the media debate on climate change in the English-speaking world.

The two daily papers in Britain which have campaigned most single-mindedly on the urgent need for action on man-made global warming have begun to change their tune.

The Independent's environment editor, Michael McCarthy, filed a piece under the head "Professor in leaked email scandal tried to hide fact that numbers he used were wrong". Previously The Independent has been underwhelmed by revelations arising out of Climategate, the hacking of computer files from the University of East Anglia's climate research unit.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/op ... 5827002660

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Another report on conditions in Mongolia, where its not getting any better.
Thank you thumbers for the update.

Quote: UP to 20 million farm animals may die in Mongolia before spring as the fiercest winter in living memory grips the country, International Aid Agencies warned today.

Sky News reported that local experts have told the Red Cross half the entire country's livestock could be wiped out.

A Sky News team that traveled through remote regions in Central Mongolia found cattle, goats and sheep frozen to death across the plains, with some herds almost completely wiped out.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaki ... 5827780294

Cheers Sav

[Sav]

Hi all

Snow allmost everywhere in the USA

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/20 ... snow_N.htm

Cheers Sav

[thumbelina]

I see the Express are joining the growing group of doubters, now!

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/158214