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Toto wrote:The end conclusions are a bit quick , they do not take into account many other aspects-it is not only about "heat", this is a reductive mecanistic view( that serves industries well) but also about inter-cell communication( see the work of Fritz Popp and others), endocrine signalling etc etc, I xon't go into it here.
Extremely interesting nonetheless!
The only high-quality research I know of seems to show that people who believe themselves to be EMF-sensitive cannot in fact tell whether they are or are not being exposed to higher-than-background electromagnetic fields, if that is tested in a blinded trial. That is not at all to say that their experiences are invented, or "all in their heads", or anything else pejorative. It just seems an awful shame, like much else in 2016.
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I can understand, Toto, that much of the stress of modern life is caused by the proliferation of modern communication devices and can believe that they can thus cause major problems for some people. However you cannot avoid the fact that the sun is responsible for a far greater proportion of the non-ionising electromagnetic radiation that reaches us and it is that radiation which fuels life.

As a "real scientist" (B.Sc., M.Sc., M.Phil., B.Univ.) I like to keep an open mind and I would certainly be interested in any scientific papers you could point me to that can explain the physical mechanism by which electromagnetic radiation in the UHF band at the levels in a normal dwelling could have an adverse effect on the human body.

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Toto wrote:The end conclusions are a bit quick , they do not take into account many other aspects-it is not only about "heat", this is a reductive mecanistic view( that serves industries well) but also about inter-cell communication( see the work of Fritz Popp and others), endocrine signalling etc etc, I xon't go into it here.
Extremely interesting nonetheless!
It's certainly extremely interesting, to the extent that I bothered to pursue it. Though not interesting in a good way: Dr Popp's work seems to go well beyond the point that it could even be called pseudoscience. My question is more direct: I have the same cells as you and the same endocrine system, and on Dr Popp's theory the same micro-photons passing through my body, signaling between one part and another. How is it that they cause you "massive" physiological effects, and to the rest of us no discernible effects at all?

The answer, obviously, is that you are not like us. I would only suggest, in the kindest way I can find, that the difference has nothing at all to do with EMF radiation.
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What does it matter? The original poster is looking for a house to rent. He has given a brief overview of his medical issues in the original post, as to explain why his criteria is so specific. I can't understand why he needs his life picking apart just because some people don't believe him.
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I don't read it as people not believing him - I read it as interest in a condition that is little known. Just shows how people interpret differently the written word, when there are no gestures or facial expressions.
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CPB wrote:What does it matter? The original poster is looking for a house to rent. He has given a brief overview of his medical issues in the original post, as to explain why his criteria is so specific. I can't understand why he needs his life picking apart just because some people don't believe him.
Because this is a forum, not an estate agent's website. We can give whatever response we think might be helpful, or merely interesting. Subject obviously to the moderators.

I don't in any event see how any of our comments, and certainly mine, can be filed under "disbelief ". It is much more complex, and infinitely more depressing, than that.

To be honest, though, I responded initially because the initial post WAS ALL IN CAPS. That suggested a degree of distress going beyond the desire for cheap digs.
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