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carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 10:32

Can anyone tell me how long the CPAM at Perpignan is likely to take to reimburse me after receiving my feuilles?

blackduff · Post by **blackduff** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 10:34

Normally mine arrive at my account within two weeks. Most of the time, it's even less time.

Blackduff

carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 10:44

Thanks, Blackduff, I will keep checking my bank account!

sue and paul · Post by **sue and paul** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 10:52

2 weeks is about right, and usually the following day our new top-up insurance banks the rest. At the moment, I'm on automatic Carte Vitale system, but Paul is back on Attestation/feuilles de soin till he gets his new card. Does anyone know roughly how long it takes for the new photo Carte Vitale to come after application? Our pharmacie says there is only one centre in France which processes applications, and weren't surprised that Paul still hasn't got his after 6/7 weeks. I should know enough by now not to be surprised either, I suppose

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 12:34

sue and paul wrote:Does anyone know roughly how long it takes for the new photo Carte Vitale to come after application?

Better read through "The Saga" on that one!
http://the-languedoc-page.com/phpBB2/vi ... light=cpam

Our Cartes came today. So, it took from 12 December until 9th April.

PS You'll love the very last post in that thread, no doubt!!

carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 12:45

After I received my attestation, I rang Perpignan and was told it is taking three months for the cartes to be sent.

sue and paul · Post by **sue and paul** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 13:20

Roger said..."PS You'll love the very last post in that thread, no doubt!!"

Yet your detractor wasn't barred...???

Thanks Carol...it's not so much the waiting, it's the not-knowing-how-long-for that gets me!!

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 13:21

carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 14:43

I sympathise with the posters on that thread who bemoaned the inefficienty of French civil servants. I have been making declarations in France for six years. I have just received my blue 'Declaration Preremplie' but no Pink Form 2047. I am warned that I must make by return by 31st May but it is difficult without the necessary forms.
I do have all my information to hand and I am raring to go - it doesn't take me long as I just have my three pensions and I recently got my P60's.
The lady I deal with at Gourdon is very pleasant, but surely it must be obvious from my file that I have incoming arising overseas?
I expect that the form is generated by computer, which means, of course, that no common sense is involved.

Since posting the above, I have received an e-mail from my nice tax lady saying she is sending the 2047 with answers to my questions on how to complete it. I take back everything!

PaddyFrog · Post by **PaddyFrog** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 20:00

Roger O wrote:PS You'll love the very last post in that thread, no doubt!!

Why?? its seems to be written by a very intelligent person!!!!

I think you mean an earlier post by the Pirate.

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 22:27

carol sheridan wrote: I expect that the form is generated by computer, which means, of course, that no common sense is involved.

Carol - computers only make "mistakes" or are inadequate due to
power failure
functional analyst failure
system analyst failure
programmer failure
user input failure
i.e. the errors are all human - except in part of the first case, where power failure may be attributed to an Act of God (storm, flood, etc.), a cow shorting out the cable somewhere - but mainly to some uninformed idiot cutting the line with his bulldozer.
The computer itself is always guiltless!

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 22:33

PaddyFrog wrote:
Roger O wrote:PS You'll love the very last post in that thread, no doubt!!
Why?? its seems to be written by a very intelligent person!!!!

I think you mean an earlier post by the Pirate.

Dear Michael... if you see the time of my post above and the time the current last post was added to that thread - you will note it wasn't there when I made my comment... oh, never mind.. who cares..

carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 22:43

I know what you mean about computers, Roger, obviously their programmer forget to include an instruction to include the 2047 for tax payers who have had one in previous years.

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Wed 30 Apr 2008 22:46

Oh, well, if science goes on like this maybe CPAM will made obsolete by "Pixie Dust"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7376191.stm

Santiago · Post by **Santiago** » Thu 01 May 2008 09:23

Let's stop digging up old ground. Outie is banned from this forum and I don't think it achieves anything to draw attention to his comments on another forum (which he's also banned from). And it's hardly fair to poke fun at someone who can't respond.

I totally agree with Rog on the computer error issue. It's so easy to blame the computer but you know what they say about bad workmen. As a pedantic point it was probably not the programmer who made the mistake but the business expert who specified what the sytem should or shouldn't do.

opas · Post by **opas** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:08

Soo predictable!

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Thu 01 May 2008 12:57

Yeah... the business expert is (or should be!), in effect, where IT functions are concerned, a functional analyst.

There are good, mediocre - and poor ones (who usually end up the the public domaine!)

Santiago · Post by **Santiago** » Thu 01 May 2008 19:52

Oh I don't know about that. I remember meeting a preofessional Functional Analayst who was contracted to help us convert some Bond Trading Systems systems to the Euro. First he asked me (the IT guy) what would be affected by the Euro and then he asked me what a Bond was

Roger O · Post by **Roger O** » Fri 02 May 2008 01:11

Normally a professional functional analyst "graduates" from "specialist" in a particular field of the the particular business to be analysed. Functional analysis usually takes place within quite narrow fields. For example, in the travel business there must be about 30-40 fields within which funtional analysts will operate.

I, for example, having been specialised in "inter-system notification processes - passenger reservations" would never have presumed to (or would have been asked to) take on any functional analysis concerning a fare quote system or even a freight transport system, even though having an overall broad knowledge of the business in general. On the other hand, consultancy would be a possibility in context of brainstorming with "exterior sources"! There is a certain value in examination of any problem using logical deduction..

In your example, the FA was obviously not already specialised in the field in which development was to be undertaken - bad sign not to even be familiar with terminology directly concerning the business field!!!! I.e. a specialist, by definition is concerned with a narrow field of operation about which he/she knows practically everything. The FA takes this one step further using this knowledge to conceive of and implement, in tandem with the customer, improvements and upgrades to an existing field.

The worst person to deal with is a half-informed FA who purports to be "the complete expert"!

If one relates all that to the CPAM... I think there must be quite a few half-informed hangers on in there!!!
Example: Yesterday I had a letter from Depistages 66 reminding me that I was due for a colon cancer depistage test. Fine, thanks, BUT the letter went on to say that this was due every two years and if I had done this test within 2 years (I did it last year!) I should please inform them to bring their records up to date..
Not only that, but this letter was sent to Le Soler (forwarded by the Post in Toulouges), when we have been dealing 100% with CPAM Carcassonne now for more than 4 months - and I had done the online change of address back in December - including the CPAM and, presumably, its allies and associated organisations!
Enough said!

carol sheridan · Post by **carol sheridan** » Fri 02 May 2008 07:24

When I moved house I wrote individually to every organisation I could think of as well as paying for the change of address at the post office. My previous landlords also have my new address, but so far nothing has gone astray. I work on the principle that if a thing can go wrong, it will.

opas · Post by **opas** » Fri 02 May 2008 13:13

carol sheridan wrote:I sympathise with the posters on that thread who bemoaned the inefficienty of French civil servants. I have been making declarations in France for six years. I have just received my blue 'Declaration Preremplie' but no Pink Form 2047. I am warned that I must make by return by 31st May but it is difficult without the necessary forms.
I do have all my information to hand and I am raring to go - it doesn't take me long as I just have my three pensions and I recently got my P60's.
The lady I deal with at Gourdon is very pleasant, but surely it must be obvious from my file that I have incoming arising overseas?
I expect that the form is generated by computer, which means, of course, that no common sense is involved.

Since posting the above, I have received an e-mail from my nice tax lady saying she is sending the 2047 with answers to my questions on how to complete it. I take back everything!

I decided to look in my Tax form after reading that.....guess what ? No 2047 form, even thought we have completed one for the past 3 years, and they arrived automatically.....so what went wrong this year?

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