Does Wine cause breast cancer?

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Does Wine cause breast cancer?

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Post by sue and paul » Sat 22 Mar 2008 11:15

nah...you just fall off your chair :lol: :lol:

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Post by Marguerite & Steve » Sat 22 Mar 2008 11:51

........is there anything left that I can have. :twisted:


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Post by john » Sat 22 Mar 2008 13:38

As per usual the press have misread and misrepresented what this study's conclusions were.

It did NOT say that moderate alcohol comsumption is in any way related to carcinomas of any sort. But binge drinking is.... Surprise Surprise.!!!

But let's not forget that as usual with the (Tory) press it's about selling newspaper copies.Nothing to do with the truth at all.

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Post by carol sheridan » Sat 22 Mar 2008 16:15

I have read so many reports over the years that warn me that my HRT is going to increase my risk of breast cancer - oh no, hold on, it is going to protect me against it, and heart disease - no, it is going to cause heart disease. I now ignore them all,especially when I realised what the increased risk meant. If one woman in 10,000 not using HRT gets breast cancer, and 2 women in 10,000 who are using it get breast cancer, the newpaper reports would shriek : HRT doubles the risk of breast cancer'. (I have no idea of the actual figures, just taking them to illustrate the point.)
I now enjoy my two glasses of wine with my dinner every night, take my HRT like my French woman doctor, take the lowest possible dosages of anti-infammatories, and just enjoy my life. Fortunately, I have never smoked or taken non-prescription drugs.

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Post by sue and paul » Sat 22 Mar 2008 18:09

Well, I've not had much, but why am I seeing a double header for Anglophone -Direct?

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Post by DaveM » Sat 22 Mar 2008 21:16

'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'
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Post by Roger O » Sat 22 Mar 2008 23:54

sue and paul wrote:Well, I've not had much, but why am I seeing a double header for Anglophone -Direct?
I saw it too!! Thought my new PC was acting up.. but it was quite temporary and returned to normal when I pressed the refresh button!

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Post by Santiago » Sun 23 Mar 2008 09:44

Sounds like scaremongering to me. I've never seen a scientific report that says 14 units of alcohol a week will increase risk of breast cancer.

I'm also a bit confused as to why the government's official measure, The Unit, is 125ml (standard small glass) of 8% wine when the government regulation is that table wine needs to be a minimum of 9%.

How can they gather statistics on a drink that doesn't exist?

But hopefully, people will drink less, which will allow them to drink better and I'll sell some wine to people who used to spend all their money on Blossom Hill :D

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Post by PaddyFrog » Sun 23 Mar 2008 10:57

In Britain a unit of alcohol is defined as 10 millilitres (or approximately 8 grams) of ethanol (ethyl alcohol).

http://www.spectrumchemical.com/retail/ ... lcohol.asp

Do Tesco sell it????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No wonder there is so much binge drinking if the Government advise 3 to 4 units of a 190% proof chemical.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Chris » Sun 23 Mar 2008 19:48

The killjoys and spoilsports will ban anything that anyone enjoys if we let them.
I am desperately trying to start smoking at the moment. A friend recommended I start with Capstan Full Strength, another Craven A.
Both seem a little rough for a beginner - perhaps I should try B&H?
Any advice gratfeully received.

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Post by Marguerite & Steve » Sun 23 Mar 2008 20:17

No... you need Woodbine...they are the ones that will do the trick...

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Post by Santiago » Mon 24 Mar 2008 09:24

My dad smoked Silk Cut.

Put him in the grave at the age of 59.

If that's the effect you're after, I'd recommend those.

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Post by carol sheridan » Mon 24 Mar 2008 09:40

Woodbines did for my dad, at age 59. My brother in law died a horrible death after lung cancer spread to his brain - amazingly, two of his four sons, (all graduates) still smoke. We are talking about an extremely potent drug, and the tobacco companies know exactly how to exploit it.
One of their more devious moves was to put big hoardings outside schools saying 'Don't smoke, it is just for adults'. Clever , eh?

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Post by Roger O » Mon 24 Mar 2008 10:07

According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae), predominantly in tobacco and coca,
and in lower quantities in tomato, potato, eggplant (aubergine), and green pepper.
Vegan smokers will be happy to know they can get off the habit by substituting about 5 kilos per day of the
above veggies, together with 10 daily cups of cocoa!! YES!

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Post by Chris » Mon 24 Mar 2008 10:15

Oh no that's killed my motivation!
I already eat lots of tomatoes since they are my favorite food - I didn't realise they contained nicotine.
I'm really struggling to get motivated to start smoking now.

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Post by john » Mon 24 Mar 2008 10:25

The "right to smoke" brigade always try to muddy the waters by lumping smoking in with alcohol.

The fact is that there are countless studies that show beyond any doubt that even small amounts of smoking is a risk factor (usually,after family history,the NUMBER ONE risk factor) in a whole host of diseases.

No such conclusions have ever been demonstrated as regards small quantities of alcohol consumption. Indeed,as is well known now,certain types of alcohol(eg red wine) have been shown to have a protective effect.

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Post by Roger O » Mon 24 Mar 2008 11:00

john wrote:The "right to smoke" brigade always try to muddy the waters by lumping smoking in with alcohol.

The fact is that there are countless studies that show beyond any doubt that even small amounts of smoking is a risk factor (usually,after family history,the NUMBER ONE risk factor) in a whole host of diseases.

No such conclusions have ever been demonstrated as regards small quantities of alcohol consumption. Indeed,as is well known now,certain types of alcohol(eg red wine) have been shown to have a protective effect.
Yes John ... and... there's always another point of view!!
http://ezinearticles.com/?Smoking-Fact- ... &id=412579
... er should I say... axe to grind?

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Post by john » Mon 24 Mar 2008 11:04

I've seen this before Roger. But these people miss the point.No-one has ever claimed that it's the nicotine per se that is the problem with fags,other than the fact it is that which causes the addiction. More the tar,Carbon monoxide etc!!!

I'm sure Santaigo's Dad and all the other victims did not smoke because they fancied a lungful of CO.

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Post by carol sheridan » Mon 24 Mar 2008 11:23

Mmm.... wondered why my old mum
got so happy after her tenth cup of cocoa!
Tea is my drug of choice.

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